Health & Wellness when striving for career goals and recognising Orthorexia, with Ollie Jordan Matthews

Hi, welcome along to the aspiring psychologist podcast. If you are watching on YouTube, then it won't have escaped you that this is a video today! If you are listening on Spotify or apple or some other, um, podcast platform, then please know that this won't be any different, but if you wanted to tune in on YouTube, then you can see, um, me and my guest, uh, talking throughout, uh, this episode today, we are thinking just about what happens when we are striving for goals and whether it's always that we are able to keep other kind of factors in mind, really. And today we're thinking about our health and exercise and wellness needs. Whilst we are striving for this goal of becoming a qualified psychologist. It's certainly something that I wish that I thought more about in my journey when I was an aspiring psychologist. And I hope that you will find it helpful too. Today. I have invited a guest long to help me talk to you about this. Um, he is very well, um, experienced and versed in this because he has had his own goals to strive for as well. His name is Ollie Jordan Matthews, and he is a health coach and nutritional therapist. And I hope that you will find today's episode really useful as you strive towards your own goals. Any feedback always welcomed, and I hope that you enjoy it.

02:10:

I am joined today by Ollie Matthews, and I will, um, you know, I've given you introduction, but please feel free to introduce yourself Ollie

er five years, last one being: 2012

03:25:

Uh, and that then turned me into starting to work with a couple of business owners, uh, entrepreneurs and the actual story like I missed out at the start of that was that when I was 15, my dad passed away. Uh, he had, uh, used to have migraines and he had a stroke. He was 47 years old and he wasn't overweight. He was stressed out and he used to was working in the holiday industry, selling caravans. And then he became a sales manager and then park manager got head hunted, very successful at what he'd done, but he was stress out. And I didn't realize that I was working with these athletes that was more ego getting them from a to B as quickly as possible. Not really worrying about kind of the, the health as such. That was an afterthought. The speed was what was paying their bills.

04:15:

And then I worked with some entrepreneurs and I was actually working with a guy. Um, he was very big in the music industry and I was over in his house in Nashville. I'd done what I call an intensive, which there's nothing intensive about it. I just literally live with, lived there, live with the client for a week. Uh, one of the things that we have to do something fun when we're there, but live with a client for the week to make sure they're implementing certain things. And they're not doing too much, not doing too little, going to get certain things all in place. And we actually launched a, a musician's health course there as well at the time, but I'm standing there. And he said that I wanted to give Jill what she married 10 years ago. His, his wife and his 15-year-old daughter was there. His 13-year-old son. He said that Ollie you’ve given her back The man she married. And he was three years at the time, three years older than when my dad died. And I get goosebumps just saying it now, but it made me just totally realize that there's way more than just aesthetic. There's way more than just athletic performance. There's actually a health. And I couldn't help with my dad with his health, but absolutely I can do my best to stop children, losing their parents before their time. And that was really powerful of why I dive deeper and deeper into health coaching and nutrition work.

Marianne:: 05:39

That's so powerful. Ollie thank you for sharing that. And I'm so sorry to learn about the passing of your father. Um, and you know, as your own 47th birthday is on the horizon imminently, I'm sure that's gonna be, you know, not, not suggesting that you are almost 47.

Ollie: I was….. Gonna say like, I'm 35, come on. How much am I aged in the last few years?

Marianne:

But, you know, as we get older, we do compare to the age when our, when our parents died and it can feel a bit like a, you know, a benchmark and a milestone and something to, to think about, um, just where we're gonna be. So I recently turned 40 and I remember my parents and it feels weird, you know, to now be 40 myself. And, you know, as you approach 47, it will likely be on your mind as well. But, um, it sounds like you've done some really impressive stuff. And I love the idea of doing something insisting that you do something fun together too, with your clients.

Ollie:: 06:31

Yeah, that, that was kind of weird. I mean, we've done things like, I mean, obviously safely done things like gone to the shooting range, which that was a weird, like, I wasn't comfortable shooting a gun just like that power that's in the hands, but in the mosh pit iron maiden was kind of, I'm, I'm a big hiphop fan. And like, one of the things I like to do is a recharge is producing music and things, but being in the mosh, pit it in the desert in California was a bit of a experience, but it was cool as well. Um, but yeah, there's been some, some fun things

Marianne:: 07:06

Certainly sounds it. And you know, in, in your experience when you've been striving for particular goal or striving for a career, um, how have you found being able to look your physical health and try to, you know, try to eat right. And do all the stuff that you now do, you know, really routinely really regularly. Um, but how have you found that, um, when you were trying to get to where you are now?

Ollie:: 07:33

I think it's just an expectation. Now, if I, I was that Ollie that still competed in body building. I wouldn't be where I am now. And that transition took a little while it took going to see therapist hypnotherapy, um, going to see a psychologist as well, who specialized in, um, disordered eating and how I could kind of leave some of the control that I didn't need to track everything. That there's absolutely an amazing tool in tracking, but you don't need to track everything. You don't need to live your life by a certain number. You don't need to live it on the scale and it's allowed me much more freedom, but it did take, it was a process that, that happened over the last show was 2012. I met my wife in 2013 and pretty quickly it was obvious that if I'd have kept those habits up, that we wouldn't be together.

08:32:

wouldn't have got married in: 2016

Marianne: 09:44:

Rome was not built in a day, was it?

Ollie:

No.

Marianne:: 09:48

Yeah. And our audience who are aspiring psychologists, um, I really like the idea of, you know, just small habitful changes, really. So to begin with it might feel more effortful. But what we are looking for with healthy habits is, is that you do do small things to begin with until you are, until you're nailing it, you know, until you are making it part of your daily routine, it's not even something that you need to make yourself do. And that's the same with learning any skill. Isn't it really? So if you know, the people who you've seen for, for, for your stuff around eating and, um, lifestyle, they had to learn their trade to begin with and to begin with, it felt really effortful. But as we, as we get to do it more comfortably, you know, things come with more ease don't they? And it just becomes something about us.

Now we know Ollie you like to go to bed at 10 o'clock, um, and drink lots of water. Yeah. Which is what we were talking about just before we, uh, just before we started recording. Um, but you know, I really like the idea of what you said. We don't need to log everything. Um, certainly when we're developing competencies, as, as cl psychologists, we are encouraged to log things, but what you reckon there is that we can tie into something called orthorexia, you know, which is where we are recording things too much. And I guess I'd be really interested in your take on that and how people can, you know, try to be healthier, but try to preserve a good relationship and not, not make it become disordered.

Ollie:: 11:17

Yeah. I think looking at my, like, as the habit, let's use exercise as a habit, a lot of people struggle with getting it as a habit, but there comes a time. And if you'd have told me this back when I was like 21 or whatever, before I'd done any bodybuilding or anything, and I was really overweight that going to the gym would actually become harder not to do than to do just like so many habits, bad habits become harder not to do than to do just like good habits eventually. Um, but I think my own experience was that tracking stuff works well for a lot of people until we become very obsessive with it. And that goes with a lot of things with business, with health. And, and like, I used to find that if I was tracking loads of stuff, then I'd notice behaviors where I would end up where I would Kind of overly track I'd feel guilty if I missed something, or if I felt tired and I had a session to do at the gym, I wouldn't take the time off. And, um, I would start Kind of putting things, missing family events. There was a scheduled session missing birthdays. I remember that I couldn't take food to my best friend's wedding. Uh, he's been my friend since I was like five, six years old or something like that. And we weren't that close for his wedding, but I was still invited and I couldn't take food there. So I didn't go. And I think that was 2013, might have been two, think it was 2012, something like that. And I had to kind of look back at that and think, what are you missing out on? And what actual difference does it make tracking this stuff? And yes, if you've got a goal, which for me, when I competed, I had a very strict period of 12, 14, 16 weeks, whatever it was, you're gonna get on stage in, in pants and fake tan, like crazy. Like, I wouldn't even dream it about doing it now, but that was a specific goal. And that event with my best friend wedding didn't come in that 12, 16 week period, it was in the, what we were class as the off season. So what actual difference would it make? If I had a day where I enjoyed myself, didn't track anything. And actually one of the things I noticed with a lot of people working with stressed out people, is that okay, we need to know there's some form of like, tracking to know they're getting along with a kind of loose planner such, but the more we track, the more stressed we get, which then leads to negative behaviors for a lot of people as well. So can we not be flexible focus on years? And I suppose also have, have a team of people around me as well, but I've referred many people to, to different experts to say that this person needs help in this area. And they need to go to that person or someone to speak to yourself that in psychology, like Have those people around you, you know, where those expert areas are. And I've certainly had like a lot of help and asked for help in different areas to get me to where I am now. So I, I think, yeah, um, I've forgotten the original question, but That, that's one of my experiences with the orthorexi the obsessiveness. And I suppose even now, there are still times when I don't feel in the shape that I'm in and I've been in much better physical shape. Like, don't get me wrong. Obviously I'm not gonna step on stage now. But when I think back to how I felt when I was a couple of weeks out from jumping on the stage, I felt horrible. I had no sex drive. I was waking multiple, multiple times during the night, I'd go on a, a road trip and I'd have to go to the toilet like four times in an hour or something, something stupid at. And that was for a specific goal, but there was nothing healthy about it. And that's another one of the lines where we get, um, fitness and health are two very different things. I personally believe that like, fitness, you can be very fit, but not healthy because is for an inferior, specific goal, athletic performance or something like that.

15:57:

And just because you're one doesn't mean you're the other health to me now is overall that I don't get bloated randomly, or if I do get bloated, I know why, because I've maybe like, I know I'm very reactive to it, to glutenin and to dairy. And depending on my stress levels, I could probably tolerate a little bit, but if I'm stressed, then like it it's, uh, a key indicator if I get a migraine or, um, very bloated lethargic. So I, I leave that out there, but I wanna have the freedom. And that allows me to, to be less stressed as a result.

Marianne:: 16:39

Yeah. Really powerful stuff. Again, Ollie, and I think, you know what you've demonstrated so well there is that sometimes just keeping the end goal in sight means that our living in the present really, you know, the idea of not going to your friend's wedding and actually that you wouldn't have been, you know, if you'd been doing the, the, the competitive stuff, when you met your might your wife, you wouldn't have been freed up to do all the things that are so integral for a blossoming relationship. Aren't they, you know, um, spending time together, you know, going out on dates, eating together. And if you'd been training, it's very unlikely. You'd have had the flexibility in your regime and your schedule and the way you spoke to yourself to allow those things to be possible.

Ollie:: 17:26

I think you can absolutely go. You can go the other way as well. Like I, I personally feel my life. He need needs a little bit of structure. So when, when I don't have the structure or when there's high levels of stress recognizing the, the bad habits as well. And for me that one of the bad habits I had to recognize was that, uh, as we said about before this, about alcohol, I don't drink alcohol. I don't like the taste of it. Some people when they're really, really stressed, they might turn to alcohol. But then when they then have this, I've got alcohol, it then gets more stress because it's not the underlying condition. My thing was that I used to just dive into the Gym more, uh, and train every day, maybe twice a day, just really beating my body up or like binge eating and things like that. And the more I tried to like, stop that stuff, the more frustrated I would get, because that I was doing it because of something else. So what was the underlying stressor and how can I help myself with that as well? That that's something which I really had to get a grip on, I believe, uh, that has helped me a lot.

Marianne:: 18:41

Yeah. And both as professionals, but also when we're working with clients, as psychologists is really useful to look at those coping strategies. So does it cost for you to be able to, to do the things that you do and, and what tools do you use to help yourself to do them? And actually it can be really useful when we look at the window of tolerance, um, method. I dunno if you've heard of that or seen that, but it's, you know, when we're in the middle. Yeah. When we're in the middle bit, when we're functional, um, we are able to use our wine brains to make choices and do things rationally and logically. But if we are feeling overwhelmed or stressed or scared, um, we are more likely to, you know, to, to feel overwhelmed. And we're more likely to then do things like reach for alcohol or, um, you know, to want to eat. If we're feeling really low at the other end of the window of tolerance. And it can be really useful to think about how we take home, our workplace stress, can't it. And if you recognize as soon as you're coming in from work, or as soon as you've clicked your final teams call for the day that you're going to the fridge to pour yourself a wine, cuz you need that to decompress, then that's a sign that maybe some tweaks need to happen in your, in the way that you are functioning in your day to day life. Isn't it?

Ollie:: 19:56

Absolutely. And I think wine is such a common thing and it's normalized purely because it is common that people have it to wind down and we have it to chill out and it's the end of the day thing. But when we actually look at the stress that it could bring, I, I'm not one for the same to people cut out alcohol. Um, and like with, with a lot of my clients, they really do like to have their wine and things like that. But one, one client example that I worked with not last year, I think it was the, it was just before the pandemic. So it would've been like January, February, 2020. And he has had a successful, has a successful business. And he used to go to the bar every night until like 10 o'clock and we just couldn't get him to stop overly drinking. And we actually like built up this relationship and then we spoke and he wasn't happy in, in his relationship with his girlfriend. So what he was actually doing was going to the bar drinking. So when he left the bar, she was already in bed. So he didn't really have to have that time with her and had to have that conversation with him, like inevitably like with, with coaching, with, with nutrition, like it's not just about eat this or that it's lifestyle factors as well. And he said, I'm not happy my relationship. I know I've gotta finish this. Um, literally he finished with his girlfriend and it was like a weight was lifted off shoulders and the drinking was easy. He then drank when he wanted to. And I think that's a key thing to distinguish that when I work with someone and they say, I can't drink, cut out wine. There's a difference. I can't cut out wine or I won't cut wine. And I say to them, if it's, I won't cut out wine, I'm cool with that. If it's, I can't, we need to look at why, and that doesn't just go with wine. It doesn't just go with beer, alcohol with that. As, as I said, in my case, it was why can't I cut the alcohol? What am I hiding from? And I think that's something to recognize a lot

Marianne:: 22:06

Certainly is. And I think what you're describing so wonderfully is mindful drinking and mindful eating. You know, if your, um, previous client had wanted to go to the bar, cuz he really, really wanted a glass of champagne or something, then that's okay. Um, and he's making that choice, but he doesn't have to have a bottle just cause it's been offered to him. And you know, if he doesn't wanna finish that glass, you know, there's a lot of pressure at weddings and things. Isn't there to, you know, join in to have a toast, but you don't have to do that. You don't have to give into pressure. You do get to choice, make choices and just cuz you start a drink of whatever doesn't mean you need to finish it. And you see that a lot with people with cakes as well. Don't you, you know, you start a slice of cake or I've gotta finish. I've gotta finish everything on my plate and anything generally not just cake, but actually you don't, you know, you can stop at the point that you are full. You can stop if you're not enjoying it and you can stop just cause you feel like actually that's enough for me right now

Ollie:: 23:02

That that's something which ironically I had the conversation. My, my old boss when I worked in the corporate world signed up, uh, a couple of weeks ago and it was a conversation we had about growing up and no doubt you have spoke to people about it that I always told that I can't get down until I finish my plate or finish my vegetables. I can't have dessert and all that sort of stuff. Not only was that bringing in the ne the, if I finish, I can have dessert so that I have to have dessert after a meal, but it would then stop me from just leaving food and the same with him that it, we, we kind of, we get told that there are people starving in the world. And I wish there was something that so many more people could do. And like, we, we can donate to charity, not just in third world countries, but like people this on the streets, like, yes they are, they are starving.

Ollie:: 23:51

But how is us directly eating everything and putting our health in jeopardy, really helping them? What can we do to actually help them more? One of the things I'd like to make sure I do is just carry some spare change. Like no, no, we don't have cash as much as we used to, but carry some spare change so I can give some change. If I see someone and like, to me, that then makes up for it. Like, well, if I don't eat that food, I don't feel as bad for, for leaving it cuz someone else could have had it. If I'm actually then just giving them something as well. Uh, and the same thing with dessert, I had a conversation there's a, a monthly meet up thing that I go to that ends up having a free course meal. And I said to the organizer that, um, can I not just have like meat and vegetables with this? Like have some gluten free gravy. I don't really care for a starter. Like, please don't give me a dessert cuz I'll just leave it. I don't want you just to give me it. And I leave it. Especially since I'm not touching it or anything, it's just a waste. He said, oh, well what would you have for dessert? Like why don't we get you some vegan cheese and, and crackers. Like, I wouldn't have a dessert. Normally I, I would eat. And then if I'm still hungry, I might have something. But most of the time I'm not. And it was just the normal tea to say, let's have soup, let's have a main meal, let's have a dessert. And I think if we can, I think it's having the power. No, not power. The self love to put yourself first in those moments rather than what society seems to think is the right thing we actually feel is the right thing for us as an individual.

Marianne: 25:31

Definitely. And actually it's okay to be different. It's okay to make different choices than other people. And when, when we are empowered to make choices about what we choose to eat, um, and what we choose to drink, you know, birthday, birthdays are big ones. Um, certainly if people with eating to disorders, you know, when it's time to come and sit down, have some birthday cake, you know, there's that real societal pressure within families and within work groups. And you know, then if you've worked in places where there's been a snack table at work, you know, come on,

Ollie:

Someone's birthday, we all bring snacks in.

Marianne:

Yeah. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's that pressure around that communal eating and we are of course, mammals as well. And so there is great pleasure to be taken in eating together and it can be a really key bonding thing. But I think we, what you're so nicely just depicting is trauma trauma messages we've been given are long hour development that our parents and their parents would've been given are about, you know, not wasting and being grateful. And what we are doing certainly from a young age is lots of really important stuff. Um, about baby led, weaning about encouraging even babies, you know, to tell you when they're fallen to control what they put in their mouths, um, and not force feeding them, not doing all this airplane feeding and you know, not looking at the bottle and going, oh, you know, you need some extra, you know, or, you know, you don't feel like you've been on that boob long enough. You've gotta have some more, it's trusting the child to nourish themselves appropriately because if they begin to learn that control, then they're able to take that throughout their lives. It's really powerful stuff.

Ollie:: 27:04

Definitely. Definitely. I feel, yeah. And that, that goes like when we see trends and stuff on social media, like I think it it's doing something just because someone else is doing it and then it, it's not necessarily what we need. And that then leads to injuries that leads to at potential deficiencies because our body, our individual body doesn't need it just because something's trendy. Um, we see it a lot with, with diets after month, like dry January or Veganuary or Stoptober and stuff like it's easy for people to do things when everyone's doing it. It, but what do we actually want? What do we actually need? And I, I think if we can actually dive in and find out what we need, we're gonna get much better. Like this is gonna be much less stress. I know we, we haven't really spoke about sleep or got health on this, but it's stress, right. And stress is one of the reasons, one of the big guess reasons that we have problems with sleep stress is one of the biggest reasons we have problems with gut health. Why people have IBS, I B D and they get bloated randomly, or they have outbreaks of acne cuz their gut health isn't where, where it should be. But it's stress that food is causing, but also stress that society is causing our perceptions around things that are going on in society and stress that our environment and lifestyles are causing.

Marianne: 28.35:

Absolutely. And if you could give our listeners, you know, a couple of top tips for thinking about where to start with, you know, if they, some of the stuff you've mentioned is really thinking, yeah, that describes me. I am really tired all the time and I am sluggish and I've got a random break breakout of acne. You know, when I don't usually suffer in that way, if all this stuff is, is ringing bells for people, what would be reasonable practicable first steps, Ali,

Ollie:: 29:05

I think reckon is the first step. Like we could say like go into different nutritional strategies. I hate the word diet and stuff like that. But nutritional strategies to say, cut this out or have more of this or whatever it is like that side of things. But I think recognizing what is the cause of stress? So as we said about before with me over exercising or people having alcohol find that root cause and you'll feel so much less frustration because if we're trying to just cut out alcohol, but we're still stressed, then that is gonna be so hard to cut out that alcohol, if it's chocolate or whatever it is. And we need, we need to do something to adjust our lifestyle. There's so, so, so much more freedom in having something because we want it rather than because we simply crave it or are addicted to it so much more freedom.

So I think the recognition is it's a powerful thing. When you could go into things like, or what is that causing sleep and issues with sleep. I'm waking up during the night to go to the toilet. Something which is very common, but not normal, um, random bloatedness and stuff like that. And that gets down into more the individual side of things. So it's hard to, to diagnose on, on a podcast, but looking at your routine, if you're constantly on the screen until late at night or if there's certain things stressing you out late at night, um, then yeah, like you can generalize with that stuff. But a lot of those things come into more of the, the individual side of things.

Marianne: 30.50:

Definitely. And our audience, um, are often in a supervision relationship, um, as aspiring psychologist or a striving towards getting to be in a job where they do have that. And sometimes being honest about our workplace stress with our superiors can feel like a really brave thing to do, but can actually help to move those mountains. Um, yeah. So that you can make different shifts in different choices.

Ollie:: 31:14

Do you know what I think like we've part of what I've, I've done as well with some clients that I've had some really stress as such where it's such a trust relationship that, I mean, I, I go to a neurology appointment with one of my clients every year she's had epilepsy and she's had domestic abuse and things like, um, and she trusts me so much and it is a lot of pressure, but being honest with those people that you're in a relationship with when you get home, I think is underrated. I tell my wife that I'm, I'm an introvert anyway, I'm naturally INFJ. I dunno how much you believe with like the Meers Brigg sings and stuff like that. But like, it's a very rare personality type. I'm quiet. Um, very naturally introvert and I'm happy with public speaking. Now I had to do a lot of work on that, but after, uh, a health session, a therapy session as such with a client, um, they're a bit deeper or after public speaking, if I've had a day of socializing, I need time to recharge.

And at first my wife would be like, why are you so quiet? What's up? And nothing was up. I just need quiet time to recharge. I think that, I dunno if you, you think similar as well, but if we're obviously there's client confidentiality, so we can't go into the depths of what we've spoken about with a client. But if we're in a relationship, we can actually lower the stress by just letting them know that sometimes we just need a little bit of me time. And I think that, um, you know, the love languages and there's like a six love language, which is like personal space. Is it personal space? The one they've discovered now, something like, uh, alone time or personal space, they've said there's a six love, love language. So, um, I think again, that's communication, right?

Marianne: 33.04:

Yeah, it really is. And it looks different for different people. But when we are working as talking therapists, sometimes it's really nice just to have some silence. Exactly. And if you go home and your children are really noisy crawling all the over you, you know, sometimes from being with someone in really significant, important, emotional communication sessions, sometimes you can just feel really touched out. And I know when you're raising children, sometimes you feel that as why I just want, you know, they're in bed now. I just wanna be by myself. Um, but I think you can be, you know, you just want to, this is where they appeal of natural is where you just want to kind of, you know, absorb and not, not have to be emotionally, basically present and ready to respond.

Ollie:

I think some people as well, I was definitely speaking to someone yesterday that she's got things to push on her business and things like that. And well, it's recognizing some of the things we do to recharge actually how have a place in growing our business and our relationships. And I used to feel really guilty with like playing PlayStation or watching something on Netflix almost to the point that I could only watch Netflix. If I was on my bike, on my turbo trainer doing my exercise, my cardio session, it, it, whilst we have to be aware that we are cons over consuming, but like, it's good to actually recognize these things do sometimes add to our life as well that they are there for like, we want to Chuck some Marvel on and just go in a completely different universe and like where anything is possible or like we, we can recharge from these things as well. It's not all negative where just going down on that route.

Marianne: 34.42:

, you know, what I'm doing in: 2022

Ollie: 35.23:

Exactly. Yeah. Recognizing these things same with, we've going to exercise. I, I usually get some good content ideas and write some notes when I'm exercising so much surf I'm on my bike. Sometimes. Luckily that being in the countryside in Norfolk, that I could just pull over and just write half a post, because I've just got this great idea for a post and that we can look at this like exercises just for fitness or exercises just for losing weight or building muscle or whatever it is. But it's actually a hell of a lot more than, than just that. And recognizing where it's it, where it is can make us, if people are feeling guilty for exercising because they've got parenting duties or they've got business duties, relationship, things that they want to be, um, completing, then it adds to it as well.

Marianne: 36.13:

I totally agree. Well, my best ideas have come either on a run in the shower or when I'm cooking, you know, but it's only when you've got that flexibility of time, because if you're doing it all in a hustle and you're doing it in a way that feels really directive or that you're punishing yourself to do it, then you're not gonna have that optimal flexibility to be able to do get your brain to do it's wonderfully creative things, you know, it's just go it's, you know, so I absolutely agree with you.

Ollie::

Yeah, definitely.

Marianne: 36.43:

A it's been so lovely chatting with you and clearly, you know, your stuff, you are, you know, you are an expert and you know, if people wanna work with this chap, who's been all over the world, you know, to America and all these things with high flying business clients, how could they get a taste of review in your work?

Ollie:

Uh, you go to the website, OJayhealth.com and there's, there's a contact me there's um, more information and things on there. There's some blog posts and testimonials and things like that. Or just drop me a message on social media. If you just search for Olllie Matthews on Facebook, there's the business page or. My personal is Ollie Jordan Matthews. Um, I'm on there quite a bit. Um, we we've work stuff, so just drop me a message. And, uh, what I've done as well is that, um, I've got a health screening that was said about called the Optimal health screening where we go through. It's not medical side of things, but we go through brain health up health, uh, adrenals. And we go through, um, your genetics as well, just to see like what symptomology there is in the body. And then we jump on a call as well after that, that, um, I look to give like two or three things you can implement straight away to see some quick results. And then you can talk about coaching after that, if you want to. But the key thing there is to look at symptoms like you get cold hands and feet, you get brain fog, um, poor nail health for random bloating, um, being lethargic and stuff. What is causing them and what is the easiest thing you can do to help you with them straight away. So there's, there's that, and there's outside sign up for that for 99 pounds on the, uh, on the website as well.

Marianne: 38.24:

That sounds like an absolute bargain when they get to work with you as well. Like that's amazing. So yeah, if this is, um, calling out to you and you think this might help you in your journey to be becoming an aspiring psychologist, then definitely check out OJ cuz he knows his stuff. But what I've really loved about speaking with you today is that there's been that dual benefit really Ollie there's been the benefit of how this protects your own mental and physical health as an aspiring psychologist, but there's also been lots of raw, really great take home points for how people can spot some of this stuff in their clients. So it's like a super punchy, brilliant, um, podcast episode really because it's, it's gonna be yeah, so helpful for people that are listening. So thank you so much for taking the time to come and talk to us and share your, um, share your insights. It's been such a pleasure.

Ollie:

Cheers. I, I appreciate you having me on here.

Marianne:

Anytime. Take care OIE. It's so nice to see you. Bye.

Marianne: 39.24:

I hope you've, um, found this episode useful. Um, and if you do, um, and love any feedback that you've got, um, please help share it widely, um, like and connect, um, subscribe rate to review, do all of the things and you'll be my new best friend. Um, come and connect with me over on socials. I'm on LinkedIn, Dr. Marianne, Trent Twitter. I'm goodthinkingPS1. Um, good thinking psychological services on Facebook and I am on Instagram as well as Dr. Marianne Trent. So please come and connect, uh, help me to help you. And yeah, let's get word out there about this wonderfully useful podcast. I hope you find this helpful and I look forward to catching up with you next time. Take care

Marianne: 40.08:

Being well supported during any interview season is so important. I have therefore at and some compassionate question and answer support sessions for you. You are absolutely welcome to come along to all of them. Some of them, none of them, no need to book. And here are the dates for you Monday, the 28th of February from 7:30 PM, Monday, the 1st of March 7:30 PM, Monday the 4th of April 7:30 PM and Monday the 9th of May 7:30 PM. And they will all be live streaming via my socials, uh, which includes Twitter, YouTube, LinkedIn, and Facebook. So you can absolutely pick your favorite, um, platform and they'll all be available on replay as well. Hope you find it so useful and I will look forward to catching up with some of you then take,